The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies (2014)

[aragon0510]

thứ nhất là như ông Paladin nói
thứ hai là trong Hobbit đã đề cập, truyện nhé, rằng đại bàng ko quan tâm chính sự, bọn nó chỉ tham chiến nếu tổ bị đe dọa, lão PJ chế đại bàng thành đồng minh luôn

Hobbit thật ra ko kháng nhẫn hoàn toàn, tùy tộc khác cao thấp khác nhau nhưng ít ra là kháng lâu hơn tụi người với tiên, nhưng đeo lâu thì sẽ hóa Gollum vốn cũng là 1 hobbit

bạn nào thắc mắc thêm mời xuống topic Tolkien ở dưới để đọc về lịch sử trung địa do 1 số bác dịch, rất ư là epic, Warcraft mượn gần như cái giai đoạn đầu hình thành luôn

 

[tomaaragon]

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Mà hỏi ngu phát là lâu nay tui vẫn thắc mắc là khúc cuối bọn nó đi thuyền đi đâu nhỉ =.=. Đi chết à @@

Phải rồi, nếu mình là Elrond mình sẽ giết mẹ Isildur đi khi nó ko chịu quăng nhẩn xuống , thấy giờ đa số lore toàn vậy, tổ tiên mạnh hùng bá vl nhưng khi có nạn sẽ không giải quyết tận gốc mà toàn con cháu hứng

 

[sauham]

Thực ra mình hỏi vậy vì lần trước xem trên How It should have ended thấy bọn nó làm quả parody khá buồn cười nhưng cũng hợp lý. Cho hành quân đến để đánh lạc hướng Sauron rồi Frodo và Sam xâm nhập Mordor.
Mình để ý thấy là mấy cái truyện sử thi kiểu này rất hoành tráng nhưng lắm lúc cũng lame. Lão Elrond sao không giết luôn Isildur đi cho xong, chả lẽ vì tình đồng chí anh em gì đấy mà đặt cả thế giới vào nguy hiểm? Mà thôi đây cũng chỉ là truyện đòi logic lắm làm gì.
Tiện thể hỏi luôn là bọn Eagle có phải cứ lúc nào hết cách là lại xuất hiện để cứu không?

 

[aragon0510]

Thực ra mình hỏi vậy vì lần trước xem trên How It should have ended thấy bọn nó làm quả parody khá buồn cười nhưng cũng hợp lý. Cho hành quân đến để đánh lạc hướng Sauron rồi Frodo và Sam xâm nhập Mordor.
Mình để ý thấy là mấy cái truyện sử thi kiểu này rất hoành tráng nhưng lắm lúc cũng lame. Lão Elrond sao không giết luôn Isildur đi cho xong, chả lẽ vì tình đồng chí anh em gì đấy mà đặt cả thế giới vào nguy hiểm? Mà thôi đây cũng chỉ là truyện đòi logic lắm làm gì.
Tiện thể hỏi luôn là bọn Eagle có phải cứ lúc nào hết cách là lại xuất hiện để cứu không?

mình nói ở trên rồi, film chế thêm tụi eagle là đồng minh, thật ra ko phải, chứ ko thì mắc mớ gì nó ko đèo đi lonely mountain, việc gì phải đi bộ, cuối Hobbit là do nhờ vả gì đấy mới đồng ý thôi

còn chuyện kéo quân đi đánh lạc hướng cũng chả ổn vì đám người đang bị đánh tan tác khắp nơi, ko có người đoàn kết lại, thủ ko xong lấy đâu ra mà lạc. Sam Frodo vốn đang đi đường vòng xâm nhập còn gì.

 

[sauham]

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Mà hỏi ngu phát là lâu nay tui vẫn thắc mắc là khúc cuối bọn nó đi thuyền đi đâu nhỉ =.=. Đi chết à @@

Đến Undying Lands, sướng bỏ xừ ra mà Sam nó cứ khóc hoài lúc Frodo nó đi.

 

[congaimoilon]

Đến Undying Lands, sướng bỏ xừ ra mà Sam nó cứ khóc hoài lúc Frodo nó đi.

Thì tại nó hok đc đi theo đó mà

 

[aassaa]

Phải rồi, nếu mình là Elrond mình sẽ giết mẹ Isildur đi khi nó ko chịu quăng nhẩn xuống , thấy giờ đa số lore toàn vậy, tổ tiên mạnh hùng bá vl nhưng khi có nạn sẽ không giải quyết tận gốc mà toàn con cháu hứng

Trong truyện thì Elrond ko có vào núi cùng Isildur đâu

 

[thesims4maxis]

Phải rồi, nếu mình là Elrond mình sẽ giết mẹ Isildur đi khi nó ko chịu quăng nhẩn xuống , thấy giờ đa số lore toàn vậy, tổ tiên mạnh hùng bá vl nhưng khi có nạn sẽ không giải quyết tận gốc mà toàn con cháu hứng

Muốn logic thì thử logic tí, Isildur là vua loài người, vừa giết được Sauron và có chiếc nhẫn quyền lực trong tay. TỰ nhiên Elrond giết Isildur, thử hỏi loài người sẽ nghĩ gì và chuyện gì sẽ xãy ra giữa người và tiên?

 

[vothienhuy1412]

http://www.imdb.com/poll/pcj9RIFBJy8/?ref_=tt_po_i2

Con rồng no.1 kìa ....

 

[Hiendaoduc, Jr]

Muốn logic thì thử logic tí, Isildur là vua loài người, vừa giết được Sauron và có chiếc nhẫn quyền lực trong tay. TỰ nhiên Elrond giết Isildur, thử hỏi loài người sẽ nghĩ gì và chuyện gì sẽ xãy ra giữa người và tiên?

Thì cứ chém gió là trong đó có phục kích hay là thằng Balrog nào đó chờ sẵn, Isildur đã anh dũng nhảy xuống hi sinh cùng với địch và cái nhẫn, thế là xong chứ gì, đằng nào cũng có ai trong đó mà kiểm chứng nữa đâu

 

[vChevrolet]

[QUOTE="+5";25038130]Ông Sauham nói là "đến gần" chứ có bảo đến thẳng núi đâu.

Thật ra với tui thì LOTR là phim k logic lắm, đc cái là phim làm tốt quá nên ngta k để ý logic nhiều, mà nếu logic thì nó lại mất nhiều khoảng khắc hay.

Chứ thật ra bảo con đại bàng cõng cả team hội đồng hành đến gần Mondor rồi đi bộ đột kích vào, trong đánh vào ngoài đánh ra thì chắc phim chỉ có 1 phần chứ chả phải 3 phần, bỏ lỡ bao trận đánh hay
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VÃi cả logic, từ phần trước đã bao ông thốt lên câu "sao k bảo con đại bàng" đến h vẫn còn sót 1 ông!

 

[thesims4maxis]

Thì cứ chém gió là trong đó có phục kích hay là thằng Balrog nào đó chờ sẵn, Isildur đã anh dũng nhảy xuống hi sinh cùng với địch và cái nhẫn, thế là xong chứ gì, đằng nào cũng có ai trong đó mà kiểm chứng nữa đâu

Cứ chém gió và mọi người tin hết?! đâu có ai vào đâu mà kiểm chứng nên không ai nghĩ là Elrond ám toán Isildur để cướp nhẫn à?!

 

[Hiendaoduc, Jr]

Thì elf là loài thông tuệ nhất, phẩm chất thuộc dạng đỉnh của thế giới, Elrond nói thế ai mà không tin chứ.

 

[Tiger-tank]

phim làm sai truyện rất nhiều nên các bác bảo ko logic cũng đúng thôi , chứ trong truyện thì ko biết sao , ai đọc rồi thông não hộ với

 

[Hiendaoduc, Jr]

Search google "Elrond kills Isildur" ra cả đống tranh cãi
Mình mà là Elrond thì cho Isildur bay xuống cùng với cái nhẫn, xong ra ngoài cứ việc lập đền thờ đúc tượng làm bài hát tưởng nhớ đời đời, ai biết đấy là đâu

 

[KAI_[GVN]]

chắc tụi người nó tin, con người vốn có lòng tham và ích kỷ hơn tiên nhiều

giải thích cho logic thì nó yèo còn chuyện để mà viếc.

 

[khangdat]

Từ đầu tụi tiên hay Gandaf không sợ thua rồi, có cho Sauron cái OR thì té về Valinor méc rồi lại đem quân qua Rape lại mấy hồi.

 

[ngdinhluat]

con người vốn có lòng tham và ích kỷ hơn tiên nhiều

Lòng tham và ích kỷ thì elves với human khác gì nhau, người có những thứ để mù quáng ích kỷ thì tiên cũng có.

Mấy cái so sánh truyện vs phim
http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Movie_vs._Book:Major_Differences
Hobbit 1

Elijah Wood appears briefly as Frodo Baggins, whereas this character does not appear in the book. However his appearance is purely a cameo as the set-up for the movie is that it's the Red Book of Westmarch being written and read by Bilbo shortly before Fellowship of the Ring.
The Dwarves did not arrive in order (first Dwalin, then Balin, then Kili and Fili, then Oin, Gloin, Dori, Nori, Ori, Bifur, Bofur, and Bombur all at once, and then Thorin arrived significantly later) and they did not have their multi-colored hoods or beards as they did in the book.
Bilbo was shown to be allergic to Horses.
The Dwarves surrender when the Trolls threaten to rip Bilbo in two instead of being overpowered and popped into bags.
The group is attacked by Orcs on the way to Rivendell, just after the Trolls sequence in the movie. This did not happen in the book.
Bilbo goes to the Trolls because they steal the Dwarves' ponies.
In the book, it was Gandalf that stalled the trolls until they turned into stone. This was done by Bilbo in the film.
The trolls' cave is wide open, and there is no locked door blocking it.
In the book, Bilbo finds Sting and takes it. In the film, Gandalf comes upon it and gives it to Bilbo.
Radagast the Brown aids the Dwarves in escaping the Orc Warg Riders near Rivendell. In contrast, Radagast did not appear in the book at all, and there is only one mention of him.
Radagast investigates the darkness of Mirkwood, and at Dol Guldur encounters the Necromancer and the Witch-king of Angmar, with whom he briefly duels and from whom he takes the Morgul Blade. In contrast, Tolkien never wrote of any such incident.
In the book, it was Bilbo that alerted the party when the trapdoors in the goblin cave open. In the film, the dwarves realize this just as they fall into the hole.
Azog has survived the war of the Dwarves and Orcs in which he was wounded by Thorin and hunts Thorin Oakenshield and his followers. In contrast, in the Tolkien literature Azog was beheaded by Thorin's cousin Dáin Ironfoot in the Battle of Azanulbizar, well before the events of The Hobbit.
While at Rivendell with Thorin's party, Gandalf meets with Elrond, Galadriel, and Saruman (the film's version of the White Council) and relates Radagast's news about Mirkwood, but Saruman discounts Radagast's news about the Necromancer, who he says must be no more than a human pretending to be a wizard. This conflicts with Tolkien's version, in which the White Council already knew that the Necromancer was Sauron and was at Dol Guldur, since Gandalf had already confirmed this 89 years earlier, and Saruman had discovered two years earlier (although he did not inform the Council of this) that Sauron had learned of Isildur's loss of the One Ring at the Gladden Fields by the river Anduin and his servants were searching the area. Accordingly, in Tolkien's version, in the year of the events of The Hobbit, Saruman finally agreed to an attack on Dol Guldur because he wanted to prevent Sauron from finding the Ring.[2]
There is no mention of Galadriel in the book, although she IS part of the White Council.
At the White Council meeting, Galadriel relates how the Witch-king of Angmar, after his defeat near Fornost, had been killed and sealed in a tomb in that could not be opened in the High Fells. This is a serious departure from canon (Tolkien's writings), in which the Witch King had not died, but fled. In fact, Glorfindel had stopped pursuit of the Witch King and prophesied, "Do not pursue him! He will not return to these lands. Far off yet is his doom, and not by the hand of man will he fall."[3] This prophecy, of course, was the basis for the later dramatic moment in The Lord of the Rings in which Éowyn was able to kill the Witch King because she was not a man. This prophecy no longer makes sense if the Witch King had already been killed and is now (as Saruman implies) just a spirit raised by a necromancer who could "summon the dead." Furthermore, per Tolkien the White Council knew the Witch King had not been killed because he and the rest of the Nazgul had previously been fighting with Gondor and had captured (and presumably killed) the last king of Gondor at Minas Morgul in TA 2050, long after he had fled Fornost .[2]
In the book The Hobbit, as in the prologue to The Fellowship of the Ring (film), Bilbo Baggins finds the One Ring by chance when his hand happens to fall upon it as he is crawling through one of the dark Goblin-town tunnels, well before he comes across Gollum. In this film, Bilbo sees Gollum fighting with a Goblin and we see Gollum drop the ring during the fight.
When traveling along the mountain pass, Bilbo observes the stone-giants hurling rocks at a distance, "across the valley." Bilbo and his companions take refuge under a hanging rock during the thunderstorm (thunder-battle), but are never involved in the stone-giants' game.
In the book, the goblins only had tunnels, not rope bridges.
Gollum has six teeth in the book, not nine.
In the book, when Gollum and Bilbo were playing the game of riddles, the cave was pitch black and Bilbo could only see Gollum's glowing eyes and hear his voice echoing through the walls of the cave. In the film, the cave was partly lit up and Bilbo could see Gollum entirely.
In the film, Gandalf does not use multi-colored fire when lighting the pine cones.
In the film, Gandalf saves the dwarves in the goblin cave with a flash of light and instantly slays the Goblin King. Unfortunately, the goblin king is merely bashed off the side in this scene, and is slain later on.

Hobbit 2

The enchanted river that makes causes drowsiness to anyone that touches it does not appear in the film.
In the book, Thorin was captured separately and kept captive in his own room (he was treated and fed well) when he wouldn't tell his purpose in the woods. The other dwarves weren't told he was there.
In the book, the elf-king didn't guess the purpose of the mission was the reconquest of Erebor, and didn't try to make a deal with Thorin.
In the book, the elf-king at first allowed the other dwarves to move about freely within his halls, but he finally locked them up, each to his own cell, because they were being obnoxious and insulting.
In the book, Bilbo hid the dwarves in the barrels (closed up, not opened) while the chief guard and Galion the butler were asleep, and later the elves themselves pushed the barrels (which they thought were empty) through the trapdoor and opened the portcullis at the water-gate to let the barrels into the river.
In the book, the portcullis was a grate lowered down across the opening (the water-gate) that let the stream from the cave flow out into the river. In the film, the portcullis was a side-swinging type and it wouldn't have kept anybody inside the cave because it was outside on the river.
In the book, there was no pursuit by elves after the escape from the elf-king's halls (where the elves did not yet know how the dwarves had escaped), and there was no orc attack as the barrels floated down the Forest River.
Bard the Bowman did not meet the dwarves on the river in the book; elves intercepted the barrels and made them into a raft they steered down the river to Long Lake where men in boats pulled it into Lake-town with the undiscovered dwarves still inside and Bilbo (still wearing his ring) invisibly riding along.
Neither Legolas nor Tauriel appear in the book.
In Tolkien's stories, Bard the Bowman has only one child, a son named Bain, but he never appears in the book. In the screenplay, Bard has three children, along with Bain, he also has two daughter's, Sigrid and Tilda, and all three appear.
In the novel, the last rays of the setting sun on Durin's Day reveal the keyhole to the secret door into the Lonely Mountain, as predicted by the runes on the map. But in the film, the light of the moon reveals the keyhole after the sun has set.
The climax of the film is an involved battle between Thorin's dwarves and Smaug inside of The Lonely Mountain. In the novel, the dwarves never see the dragon at all; by the time they head downstairs to the dragon's lair, Smaug is long gone (in fact, although they don't know it, he's already dead).

Hobbit 3

LOTR 1

The differences between J.R.R. Tolkien's book, The Fellowship of the Ring, and the Peter Jackson movie screenplay of the same name are fairly easy to document because, in both book and movie, the story maintains a single thread from beginning to end. While there are some changes in sequence, the storyline is well aligned between the two sources. The differences between them are described here in considerable detail. The order is intended to be that of the movie, and it is also the intent that this article should eventually include all significant differences between the book and movie.

In the prologue, Isildur grabs for his father's (unbroken) sword, Sauron steps on it, breaking it, and then Isildur uses the broken sword to kill Sauron by cutting off his fingers (including the finger with the One Ring). In the book, Sauron is already defeated (and his body lifeless), and the sword is already broken when Isildur takes it from under his father Elendil's dead body and uses it to cut the ring from Sauron's hand.
Additionally, the screenplay shows clearly that most if not all of the fingers on one of Sauron's (I believe his left) hand are severed. But Gollum says in the book that he has nine fingers "but they are enough, precious, they are enough!".

While Gandalf is talking to Elrond in Rivendell in the movie, a flashback shows Elrond leading Isildur into the fiery mountain, Orodruin, and bidding him throw the Ring into the Cracks of Doom. In the book, Elrond and the Elf-lord Círdan, standing with Isildur beside their dead, counseled Isildur to take the Ring into the mountain and throw it into the Cracks of Doom near at hand, but Isildur refused and took the Ring instead as weregild for the death of his father.
In the movie, the mischief of Merry and Pippin in launching Gandalf's best rocket was a fabrication of the screenplay. This did not occur in the book.
In the movie, when Bilbo put on the Ring, he just vanished, much to the shock and dismay of the onlookers. In the book, this was to be a little joke of his, of which Gandalf and Frodo were in the know. Gandalf did not much approve of this because, "magic rings were not to be trifled with." Without Bilbo's knowledge, Gandalf had prepared a trick of his own to provide an explanation for his disappearance. At the moment he vanished, Gandalf threw a blinding flash. In addition to scaring the wits out of Bilbo, who had not expected it, this gave the partygoers a "culprit", and Gandalf was blamed by many for spiriting Bilbo away.
In the movie, the time between Bilbo's departure from the Shire and Frodo's does not seem to have been much more than a year. The only clue that it might have been longer was the amount Bilbo seemed to have aged when Frodo next sees him in Rivendell, but that aging could have been attributable to his no longer possessing the Ring. Many people assume that it was only a few months in the movie, but that wouldn't explain why Frodo arrives in Rivendell in October (like in the book) after Bilbo's birthday in September. It had to have been at least a year; Gandalf probably returned around Bilbo's 112th birthday in the movie. In the book, their respective departures were separated by a period of exactly seventeen years, and Bilbo did age much more in that time than he would have normally as a result of the loss of the Ring. The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies confirms that the time gap was much smaller, when stating that Aragorn is already a Ranger and known among his people. According to Tolkien's timeline, he would only have been ten at the time, and his age during the events of the Lord of the Rings was confirmed by the Two Towers' Extended Cut to match the books.
In the movie, Gandalf's journey included only the trip to Minas Tirith. In the book, that journey was taken for the purpose of finding and capturing Gollum—a quest in which Aragorn aided him. It was only when he despaired of doing so that Gandalf remembered the words of Saruman about the writing on the Ring, prompting him to search for the scroll of Isildur, which might make the finding of Gollum unnecessary. After Gandalf forsook the quest and turned toward the White City, Aragorn found Gollum and bestowed him into the keeping of the Wood-elves as had been agreed between him and Gandalf. (Note: Legolas was a Wood-elf.) On his return from Minas Tirith, Gandalf came to the Woodland Realm and interrogated Gollum. It was from this that Gandalf learned how the Ring had been found by Deagol, of the murder of Deagol by Sméagol (who is Gollum), of the turning out of Gollum by his kin, of Gollum's flight into the subterranean caves below the Misty Mountains, and of his account of his loss of the Ring. From the many things that were said and known, Gandalf also inferred the distant relationship between Gollum's people and the hobbits(a fan movie was created based on these events, with the main protagonist Aragorn capturing Gollum). This journey by Gandalf took a period of about nine years after which time he returned unexpectedly to Hobbiton to make that final "test" to prove what he already knew—that the hobbit's ring was the Ruling Ring.
In the movie, Gandalf openly tells Saruman that the Ruling Ring has been found in possession of the hobbits in the Shire. In the book, Gandalf never reveals this information to him. Saruman must deduce it based on information that he obtains from various sources, and he is never able to find out anything in detail about where, exactly, the Ring might be or in whose possession.
A total of four chapters and parts of a fifth are completely missing from the screenplay. The chapters are, 'A Short Cut to Mushrooms', 'A Conspiracy Unmasked', 'The Old Forest', 'In the House of Tom Bombadil', and 'Fog on the Barrow-downs'. These chapters relate the adventures of the hobbits on their journey through the woods and fields of the Eastfarthing to their eventual return to the main road near the village of Bree. They include the dinner at the house of Farmer Maggot, the revealing of the conspiracy of the hobbits to prevent Frodo from leaving on his own, their adventures in the Old Forest including their encounter with Old Man Willow, their brief stay with Tom Bombadil and Goldberry, and their capture by the Barrow-wight and subsequent rescue by Tom. Although these chapters are some of the most fanciful, their inclusion in the screenplay was not necessary to the story and would have extended the length of an already very long movie.
In the movie at Bree, Strider is shown drawing a sword that is in one piece. In the book, he bore the shards of Narsil that had been broken when Sauron had been defeated at the end of the Second Age.
Having not been captured by the Barrow-wight in the movie, where they had obtained their weapons in the book, some means of arming the hobbits had to be devised. This was accomplished by Aragorn suddenly appearing without explanation with four, conveniently hobbit-sized blades that were given them at Amon Sûl (Weathertop).
Frodo's reaction to the Morgul-Blade is much more immediate and dramatic.
In the movie it was Arwen and not Glorfindel who came to rescue Strider and the hobbits from the Nazgul.
In the movie, the sword Narsil, which is first shown at Rivendell instead of Bree, was in six pieces. In the book, the sword had been broken into two pieces.
The uruk Lurtz who mortally wounds Boromir and is killed by Aragorn does not exist in the book.
Many stories of what was going on in the world were taken out of the Council of Elrond, which included Legolas telling of Gollum's escape, Gloin telling of the messenger from Mordor, Gandalf revealing Saruman's treachery, and Bilbo and Gandalf telling the history of the Ring. The last two weren't necessary in the film's version of the council because they had already been told earlier in visual format.
When the Fellowship stops in the Chamber of Mazarbul, Pippin accidentally allows a dead dwarf to fall into a well, alerting the orcs to the presence of the Fellowship. In the books, Pippin throws a rock into the well.
When the Fellowship were at the Gates of Moria, Merry and Pippin threw rocks in to the water and they were stopped by Aragorn. In the books, Boromir threw rocks and Frodo stopped him.
There are many minor (and major) dialogue differences between book and movie. One is that on the Bridge of Khazad-dûm, Gandalf shouts "You shall not pass!" in the movies while in the books he shouts "You cannot pass!". Also in the movie the Balrog seems to easily take on Gandalf while in the books when Gandalf tells his real name to Durin's Bane the balrog shrinks from Gandalf.
In the films, Shadowfax is first introduced in The Two Towers. However, after Gwaihir saves Gandalf from Isengard, he bears him to Rohan where he requests a horse. Theodin agrees, so long as the steed is returned to Rohan. Gandalf chosses the Prince of Horses, who had never been tamed, and was able to do so.
The quote "don't you leave him" directed at Sam in the film was said by Gandalf. However, in the book, it was an Elf named Gildor, the leader of the company of Elves that Frodo, Sam, and Pippin stayed with for one night.
The afore-mentioned company of Elves were actually shown in the books, and had interactions with the Hobbits. Their singing had scared away a Wraith that was close behind the Hobbits at the time, as well. In the film, they are merely shown in precession, singing the song shown in the book in Elvish.
Much too could be said of his decision to leave out powerful scenes from the chapters Journey in the Dark, The Mines of Moria, The Bridge of Khazad Dum, Lothlorien, and the Mirror of Galadriel.

Naming all the unmistakably important passages present in the book, yet glaringly and obviously missing from the Movie would be time consuming. A complete, absolute and faithful rendering of the book into a screenplay would take years, and the final movie would have a very long running time. The differences in the book and the screen adaptation are all too apparent, but those who have read the book will surely agree that Jackson's film is laudable given the enormity of the task. After all, he did not have an unlimited amount of time, or an unlimited budget.

LOTR 2

The differences between J.R.R. Tolkien's book, The Two Towers, and the Peter Jackson movie screenplay of the same name are very difficult to document because of the substantial difference in plot sequence between them. There are two major plot threads in this story that are presented very differently between the book and the screenplay. They are:

the exploits of Frodo and Sam on the road to Mordor and
the adventures of the other characters in the lands of the West—Gondor, Rohan, Fangorn, etc.
Instead of separating the two major threads into two internal books as Tolkien did, the storylines are interwoven in the screenplay to keep up the pace and progress of each.

In the movie, the Two Towers are Orthanc and Barad-dur,but in the book it is Orthanc and Cirith Ungol.


In this article, these storylines are "unshuffled" into two subsections to make it more intelligible, but because the movie starts with Frodo and Sam, that is where we start here instead of the other way around as in the book. The differences between the movie and book are described here in considerable detail. The order is intended to be that of the movie, and it is also the intent that this article should eventually include all significant differences between them.

Frodo and Sam
In the scene at the Black Gate, the movie leaves out Sam's funny little ditty about Oliphaunts.
Also at the Black Gate, the movie throws in a near disaster in which Frodo and Sam fall down the side of the hill and are almost discovered by the two Easterlings from the unit marching into Mordor. This did not happen in the book.
The words of Faramir over the body of the dead Haradrim soldier in the movie were thoughts in the mind of Sam in the book.
The personality of Faramir and of the Rangers of Ithilien was substantially altered in the screenplay. In the book, Faramir is quite unlike his brother, and even before he understood what was Isildur's Bane from his dream, he swore an oath to Frodo to never take it up or even to desire it to save Gondor. In the movie, when he became aware of the enemy's Ring in Frodo's possession, he decided to take him and Sam to the White City instead of allowing them to pass on their way unhindered. However, unlike his brother, he does not claim the Ring for himself. He initially intends to take the Ring as a gift for his father. He also does not react with anger when Frodo refuses to give him the Ring. Moreover, in the book, he and his men were wise, trustworthy, and kind. When they captured Gollum, they treated him with gentleness and kindness. In the movie, Faramir's men beat and tortured Gollum, treating him with malice and cruelty. This was altogether contrary to the nature of men of Gondor.
When questioned by Faramir in the book, Frodo said, "I told you no lies, and of the truth all I could." In the movie, Frodo lied to Faramir when he was asked about "the gangrel creature" that had been seen with them, meaning Gollum.
In the movie, Frodo, Sam, and Gollum were brought to Osgiliath on the western shore of Anduin, which they could only reach by openly crossing the river exposing them all, and especially the Ring, to capture. In the book, the hobbits and Gollum were sent on their way from Henneth Annûn and were not taken to Osgiliath. After the events at Osgiliath in the screenplay, the three were shown the tunnel, which did not exist in the book, and allowed to take their journey. (In the book, the two parts of the city were joined by a bridge and there was no mention of a tunnel).
Events in the West
Gandalf's battle with the Balrog is told more or less accurately in the movie, but the tale of it was divided between the prologue and his oral narrative when the three companions met him in Fangorn. In the book, the entire story was told in Fangorn. This is just a difference of sequence. (Note: In the movie, the prologue is depicted as a dream of Frodo's as he lay sleeping on a mountainside in the Emyn Muil).
The outcome of the Entmoot in the book was that the Ents chose to go to war, but in the movie, they chose not to. They were later manipulated by Pippin into doing so anyway.
The heart-tugging scene of Eothain and Freda fleeing the Westfold and leaving their mother, Morwen, behind does not appear in the book.
The scene about Dwarf women is found in the appendix of the books.
The scene where Éowyn's discovery of Aragorn's age and heritage does not occur in the book.
The screenplay has Théoden sending his people to Helm's Deep for refuge even though that is exactly where he expects the battle to be fought. In the book, he sends them to the equal safety of Dunharrow.
In consequence of the above, Éowyn was not at the Hornburg during the battle in the movie. She was at Dunharrow in command of the refugee settlement.
The battle between Théoden's force with all of its refugees in tow and the Warg Riders of Isengard did not occur in the book. Théoden's men were not challenged to battle on their journey from Meduseld to the Hornburg. It is likely that this was adapted from the Warg attack before the Mines of Moria in the Fellowship of the Ring, which was left out of the screenplay.
The "loss" of Aragorn over a cliff did not happen in the book because the battle in which it occurred was not fought. As a result, Aragorn was not separated from the king and his men until he voluntarily chose to take the Paths of the Dead as his road to Minas Tirith.
In the movie, Háma is killed when the Warg Riders attack. In the book, he is slain at the gate of Helm's Deep.
The army of Elves that comes to Helm's Deep in the movie is otherwise occupied in the book. There, they fight a series of battles to defend Lothlórien from an Orc army that invaded from Dol Guldur and then later to conquer Dol Guldur. This also means that Haldir does not die, at least as part of the story.
In the books Eomer is not banished, but instead only imprisoned by Wormtongue and is freed after Wormtongue is overthrown. As a result he is present as Helms Deep and battles alongside Aragorn and the others. It is Erkenbrand, a Rohirrim Commander who shows up alongside Gandalf to lift the siege.
Gamling is altered completely. In the books he is an elderly man conscripted into the battle, who fights alongside Gimli and Eomer whilst Aragorn and Theoden ride out into their foes. In the film, he is altered into the captain of Theoden's guard, who seems to be mentored and friendly with Háma.

LOTR 3

The differences between J.R.R. Tolkien's book, The Return of the King, and the Peter Jackson movie screenplay of the same name are very difficult to document because of the substantial difference in plot sequence between them.

There are two major plot threads in this story that are presented very differently between the book and the screenplay. They are the exploits of Frodo and Sam on the road to Mordor and the adventures of the other characters in the lands of the West—mainly in Gondor.

Instead of separating the two major threads into two internal books as Tolkien did, the storylines are interweaved in the screenplay to keep up the pace and progress of each. In this article, these storylines are "unshuffled" into two subsections to make it more intelligible, but because the movie starts with Frodo and Sam, that is where we start here instead of the other way around as in the book. The differences between the movie and book are described here in considerable detail. The order is intended to be that of the movie, and it is also the intent that this article should eventually include all significant differences between them.

Frodo and Sam
At the opening of this movie, the story is told of the finding of the Ruling Ring by Deagol and of his murder by Sméagol, who became Gollum. In the movie, the story was a prologue(all three movies have prologues). In the book, Gandalf told the story to Frodo while they were sitting in the comfort of Frodo's parlour at Bag End. (This is in The Fellowship of the Ring chapter 2, 'The Shadow of the Past'.)
One of the most unaccountable changes in the story made by the screenplay is Frodo casting Sam away after Sam offers to carry the One Ring once they had reached the top of the Stairs of Cirith Ungol. This did not happen in the book. Frodo and Sam remained together and did not part until Frodo was taken into the Tower of Cirith Ungol.
In the book, Gollum inadvertently destroys the One Ring when he loses his footing and falls into the Cracks of Doom after finally reclaiming his "precious" from Frodo. In the film, Frodo and Gollum struggle for control of the Ring, causing both of them to fall; Frodo grabs the side of the cliff, but Gollum falls into the lava with the Ring. The change was made because the producers felt that the original events were anticlimatic. Initially, they planned to have Frodo push Gollum off the cliff with the last of his willpower, but they rejected that idea because it looked too much like cold-blooded murder.

In the West
In the confrontation with Saruman in the movie, Grima kills Saruman, who falls and is impaled on the spiked wheel of one of his machines. Grima is killed by an arrow shot by Legolas. In the book, Saruman survives to nearly the end of the story. He eventually takes up residence in Frodo's own home at Bag End, which had until then been occupied by Lobelia Sackville-Baggins, but after his ruffians are overcome by the hobbits, Saruman is turned out. Upon leaving, he kicked Grima, which pushed Grima's hatred over the top, and he slew Saruman on the threshold of Bag End. Grima was then slain by the hobbits. Because the Battle of Bywater and the Scouring of the Shire did not make it into the films, a means of killing off Saruman and Grima had to be devised, and it was done at Saruman's home at Orthanc instead of Frodo's home at Bag End.
Beregond and his son Bergil were completely left out of the movie.
In the book, Prince Imrahil of Dol Amroth comes to aid Minas Tirith during its siege. In the movie, there is no Dol Amroth force. Characters such as Hirluin, Forlong and Duinhir are likewise omitted, with the film primarily focusing on warriors of Minas Tirith.
Arwen briefly forsakes her promise to Aragorn and departs Rivendell on the westward journey. In the book, she remains true to him even to the point of making for him a token of hope of his coming victory - a jeweled banner that was to become the standard of his royal house.
In the book, upon returning from the confrontation with Saruman, the sons of Elrond, Elladan and Elrohir, along with thirty of the Dúnedain led by Halbarad, met Aragorn and fought beside him as a special elite force for the remainder of the story. This included their being with him, Legolas, and Gimli when they took the Paths of the Dead. On their journey from Rivendell, they had brought with them a banner that had been made for Aragorn by Arwen in hope of his victory. In the movie, there was no such group of men. No sons of Elrond were ever mentioned, and no Dúnedain. The object that was brought from Rivendell was not a flag but the reforged sword of Isildur, and it was brought by Elrond himself.
On their journey from their muster at Dunharrow to Minas Tirith, the Rohirrim, in the book, encountered Ghân-buri-Ghân, the leader of the Drúedain. It was from him that Théoden learned that the main road to the White City was held against them by the army of Mordor. The king was also told about a hidden road through the forest that would not only give them a covered approach to the city but would also place them near the walls of the city well inside the rearguard of the Orc army. In the movie, the Rohirrim simply go to Minas Tirith and show up there on the grasslands of the Pelennor. There is no Orc army on the road to avoid, and there are no forest people from which to receive aid.
In the book, Aragorn uses the Army of the Dead to take over the Umbar ships and crush a Corsair/Harad army at Pelargir. He then loads them with allies of Gondor led by Angbor, whom he brings to the Battle of Pelennor. In the movie, he brings the Army of the Dead itself, which brings a swift conclusion to the battle and avoids the need for Legolas to describe the battle in a flashback.
In the movie, the conversation between Eowyn and the Witch King on the Fields of Pelennor is significantly changed from the book's version.
In the movie, Meriadoc Brandybuck is immediately aware that it is Éowyn who takes him up on her horse. The book has him (and therefore the reader) unaware of who she is until the point of her revealing her identity to the Witch-king of Angmar. Preceding this, she goes by the name Dernhelm. This was changed because it would be impossible to have Miranda Otto portraying a man to deceive the audience.
The Last Debate is significantly reduced - with Imrahil, Elladan and Elrohir absent, Legolas and Gimli were added to Eomer and Gandalf keep the numbers. Also, in the book Aragorn makes a point of avoiding entering the city to take up his kingship. In the film, he has no such qualms, with Gimli even reclining in the Steward's chair whilst they deliberate.
In the movie, Merry fights at the battle at the Black Gates, whereas in the book, he is at the Houses of Healing, recovering from the Battle of the Pelennor Fields.
Pippin does not slay a troll in the Battle of the Black Gate. Instead, Aragorn fights a losing battle with a large troll chieftain until the Ring's destruction ends the battle.
Bilbo appears to have forgotten Frodo's quest in the film, where he asks about the Ring. In the book, this scene occurs but then Bilbo remembers that the purpose of Frodo's quest was indeed to destroy the Ring.
Celeborn departs Middle-Earth for the Undying Lands at the conclusion of the film, along with Frodo, Bilbo, Gandalf, Elrond and Galadriel. In the books, he remains in Middle-Earth with his grandsons Elladan and Elrohir before departing some time in the Fourth Age.

 

[_Great_Paladin_]

Từ đầu tụi tiên hay Gandaf không sợ thua rồi, có cho Sauron cái OR thì té về Valinor méc rồi lại đem quân qua Rape lại mấy hồi.

Bọn ở Valinor nó lười lắm, ko quan tâm gì đâu, vì tụi nó mạnh sẵn rồi trừ khi Melkor còn làm nó run tí, chứ Sauron phẩy tay phát là bay ngay. Cơ bản là bọn này phải đụng đến nó thì mới bật chứ còn Trung Địa có ra sao chúng nó chả quan tâm :3

 

[minhlong89]

a đù, còn có thế lực mạnh vậy sao. Theo dõi cmt cũng có cái hay