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jedi , làm 1 bài nói về các chúc quan ở viện nguyên lão đi và tổ chức quân đội của La Mả nữa .
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ông đọc hết đống trên đi cái đã
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Xong hết Rome rồi, ông làm 1 phát về Mongol luôn đi 
Đây là một bài tôi đọc được ở trong forum của Rome:Total Realism. Thấy các bác muốn tìm hiểu về quân đội của nó nên up lên. Công nhận đọc về lịch sử của La Mã thấy hiểu và thích các game về La mã hơn nhiều. Cảm ơn Jedi đã edit và up lên nhé.
Armies: Historically accurate composition and deployment are the order of the day.
Field Armies - No scraped together jumbles of whatever units you could find. No entirely mercenary forces. You should use a legion in any action aside from putting down small rebellions. A consular army is composed as follows:
Roman core: 1 General, 2 Velites*, 2 Hastati, 2 Principes, 1 Triarii#, 1 Equites and/or another General (youth)
Allied ala: 2 Italian Skirmishers, 2 Italian Swordsmen, 2 Italian Spearmen**, 1 Italian Cavalry, an additional unit of Gallic cavalry optional
*or 1 Velites, 1 Funditores
** or Samnite Warriors
They should be deployed thus:
___ISk___V___V___Isk
IC___ISw__H___H____ISw__Eq/G
__ISp___P___P____ISp
______G___T__T#
#If you prefer to have two units of triarii, go into the export_descr_unit.txt and halve the size and cost of the units, and then use two.
For generals with less imperium, give them a praetorian army, which is half the above (ie a file each of Romans and Italians). Perhaps add three or four units of local troops to cover the flanks.
Make sure each unit has enough space to advance through the gaps between the lines. Their footprint is a good guide to the staggering of them. The first battle line tends to be on both guard mode and fire at will. I've found it's pretty rare the Triarii have anything to do.
When you start getting legions based in distant locations (Iberia, Illyria mostly), start mixing local troops in place of Italians. But always resupply your Romans to keep them up to strength. You can get some tense skirmishes when leading resupply columns through hostile territory.
Legions should always be led by a proper general with imperium. When pacifying a new province, it's acceptable to detach the young tribune with the auxilia forces to take out rebels and small detachments of the enemy. But this kind of independent operation should be minimal (unless leading a praetorian-sized army). If the general gets killed, they remain in charge only until someone more senior can be dispatched to take command. Cease any further expansion until the general arrives, try to avoid pitched battles.
Now that you've had a refresher, let me discuss the Visual Companion below. As Quintus so elegantly described (and as supported by The Complete Roman Army, by Adrian Goldsworthy ), your typical Roman Consular Legion (each lead by a Consul, of which there would have been two) was historically composed of two Roman legions and two ala, or allied, legions. In game terms, when playing by Quintus' guide, this is represented by one "full stack", as I have illustrated below. This means that, strictly speaking, the Roman player has at any one time two full stack (re: consular) armies. In additional, generals (or legates), with less than proconsular imperium, when playing by Quintus' rules, may lead one "half stack", as illustrated below. I have included visual references for both a strict adherance to Quintus' legion composition and unit type ratio (2x2x1) and, in addition, visual references for "outsized", larger legions, for both the consul-general and the praetor-general (legate). The existence of larger than normal legions is also historical, and supported by The Complete Roman Army, and were used for major operations and emergency situations. Please note that in order to achieve the proper unit type ratio (equal number of velites, hastati, and principes, and half as many triari, or "2x2x1"), you'll need to edit your export_descr_unit.txt file. See next post for instructions).
Section 1: The Early Republican Praetorian Army (Lead by a praetor-general or legate)
Standard Legion lead by a praetor ranked general, accompanied by a military tribune.
IPB Image
As you can see by the illustration, this is your typical legion, with the classic 2x2x1 unit composition, with a single Roman legion and a single allied Latin legion. In this example, the legate has elected to forgo the typical Latin cavalry.
Standard Legion lead by a praetor ranked general.
IPB Image
In this example, the legate has left his young tribune behind, perhaps to lead wounded troops back to camp, and has replaced the tribunes horse contingent with a section of Latin cavalry. This would be a very typical army for a lower ranked legate.
Standard Legion lead by a praetor ranked general, with an attached artillery unit.
IPB Image
As you can see, the praetor has now exchanged his horse contingent for an artillery piece. Perhaps he is tasked with a defensive role this campaigning season?
Outsized Legion lead by a praetor ranked general.
IPB Image
This is an example of larger low imperium legion, still lead by a praetor ranked legate, with the additional of a Latin horse unit. Our erstwhile tribune is still away on detached duty, apparently. The legion has picked up four additional units, a hastati, Italian swordsmen, a velites, and an Italian skirmisher. (I often use this as my non-consular army, as it gives me more "umph" and allows me to deploy my units in a better checkerboard formation)
Section 2: The Early Consular Army (Lead by a consul-general)
Standard Consular Army, lead by a consul-general.
IPB Image
This is your typical consular army when playing by Quintus' Guide. We have two classic Roman legions and two allied Latin legions. The consul has included an additional Gallic horse contingent, too.
Standard Consular Army, lead by a consul-general, accompanied by a military tribune.
IPB Image
This time our consul has in tow a military tribune, learning the arts of war for the day he becomes praetor. This would be what your average consular army would look like. (This is my typical consular army)
Standard Consular Army, lead by a consul-general, with tribune and an artillery contingent.
IPB Image
Our champion of Roman virtue consul now has added a unit of artillery to his army. (I don't use artillery very often, it slows me down. But, when I do, I often send my consul ahead with the legion, and have my tribune and the Latin cavalry bring up the artillery)
Outsized Consular Army, lead by a consul-general, with the happy-go-lucky tribune in tow.
IPB Image
Occasionally a larger army is necessary, and, in this case, the standard army has added a few additional units.
Outsized Consular Army, lead by a consul-general.
IPB Image
This is the same setup as above, just this time we have replaced the tribune with a Latin cavalry unit.
Outsized Consular Army, lead by a consul-general.
IPB Image
This is the same setup as above, just this time we have replaced the extra horse unit with an artillery contingent.
Section 3: The Mid-Republican Praetorian and Consular Armies.
Standard legion lead by a praetor-ranked general or legate.
IPB Image
This is a Middle Republican Polybian manipular legion lead by a praetor-general or legate accompanied by a military tribune. You'll notice that Italian manipular legionnaries, copied from their Roman counterparts, have replaced the earlier Italian native conscripts.
Standard Consular Army lead by a consul-general.
IPB Image
This is a Middle Republican Polybian consular army lead by a consul-general, accompanied by a military tribune. You'll notice that Italian manipular legionnaries, copied from their Roman counterparts, have replaced the earlier Italian native conscripts.
Section 4: The Late-Republican Praetorian and Consular Armies.
Standard Post-Marius Roman legion lead by a consul, praetor-ranked general, or legate.
IPB Image
This is a Late Republican legion, consisting of ten cohorts of legionnaries recuited from all across the Roman World. By the time of Gaius Marius, the Polybian manipular legion had disappeared. A standing professional army with standardized state-provid equpment was employed in place of the bring-your-own-gear-levies that the Republic had used for centuries. This legion has an attached unit of mounted scouts and is lead by a legate.
Summary: Of course, you may play the game in any fashion you please. But, it is also enjoyable to play historically. Using Quintus' Guide to playing as a true Roman, in conjunction with Marcus Camillus' Roman Leadership Mod, you'll find yourself having a fun time roleplaying, in additional to just conquering. This adds an additional challenge to the game and a very rewarding experience. Positive comments are welcome. smile.gif
Armies: Historically accurate composition and deployment are the order of the day.
Field Armies - No scraped together jumbles of whatever units you could find. No entirely mercenary forces. You should use a legion in any action aside from putting down small rebellions. A consular army is composed as follows:
Roman core: 1 General, 2 Velites*, 2 Hastati, 2 Principes, 1 Triarii#, 1 Equites and/or another General (youth)
Allied ala: 2 Italian Skirmishers, 2 Italian Swordsmen, 2 Italian Spearmen**, 1 Italian Cavalry, an additional unit of Gallic cavalry optional
*or 1 Velites, 1 Funditores
** or Samnite Warriors
They should be deployed thus:
___ISk___V___V___Isk
IC___ISw__H___H____ISw__Eq/G
__ISp___P___P____ISp
______G___T__T#
#If you prefer to have two units of triarii, go into the export_descr_unit.txt and halve the size and cost of the units, and then use two.
For generals with less imperium, give them a praetorian army, which is half the above (ie a file each of Romans and Italians). Perhaps add three or four units of local troops to cover the flanks.
Make sure each unit has enough space to advance through the gaps between the lines. Their footprint is a good guide to the staggering of them. The first battle line tends to be on both guard mode and fire at will. I've found it's pretty rare the Triarii have anything to do.
When you start getting legions based in distant locations (Iberia, Illyria mostly), start mixing local troops in place of Italians. But always resupply your Romans to keep them up to strength. You can get some tense skirmishes when leading resupply columns through hostile territory.
Legions should always be led by a proper general with imperium. When pacifying a new province, it's acceptable to detach the young tribune with the auxilia forces to take out rebels and small detachments of the enemy. But this kind of independent operation should be minimal (unless leading a praetorian-sized army). If the general gets killed, they remain in charge only until someone more senior can be dispatched to take command. Cease any further expansion until the general arrives, try to avoid pitched battles.
Now that you've had a refresher, let me discuss the Visual Companion below. As Quintus so elegantly described (and as supported by The Complete Roman Army, by Adrian Goldsworthy ), your typical Roman Consular Legion (each lead by a Consul, of which there would have been two) was historically composed of two Roman legions and two ala, or allied, legions. In game terms, when playing by Quintus' guide, this is represented by one "full stack", as I have illustrated below. This means that, strictly speaking, the Roman player has at any one time two full stack (re: consular) armies. In additional, generals (or legates), with less than proconsular imperium, when playing by Quintus' rules, may lead one "half stack", as illustrated below. I have included visual references for both a strict adherance to Quintus' legion composition and unit type ratio (2x2x1) and, in addition, visual references for "outsized", larger legions, for both the consul-general and the praetor-general (legate). The existence of larger than normal legions is also historical, and supported by The Complete Roman Army, and were used for major operations and emergency situations. Please note that in order to achieve the proper unit type ratio (equal number of velites, hastati, and principes, and half as many triari, or "2x2x1"), you'll need to edit your export_descr_unit.txt file. See next post for instructions).
Section 1: The Early Republican Praetorian Army (Lead by a praetor-general or legate)
Standard Legion lead by a praetor ranked general, accompanied by a military tribune.
IPB Image
As you can see by the illustration, this is your typical legion, with the classic 2x2x1 unit composition, with a single Roman legion and a single allied Latin legion. In this example, the legate has elected to forgo the typical Latin cavalry.
Standard Legion lead by a praetor ranked general.
IPB Image
In this example, the legate has left his young tribune behind, perhaps to lead wounded troops back to camp, and has replaced the tribunes horse contingent with a section of Latin cavalry. This would be a very typical army for a lower ranked legate.
Standard Legion lead by a praetor ranked general, with an attached artillery unit.
IPB Image
As you can see, the praetor has now exchanged his horse contingent for an artillery piece. Perhaps he is tasked with a defensive role this campaigning season?
Outsized Legion lead by a praetor ranked general.
IPB Image
This is an example of larger low imperium legion, still lead by a praetor ranked legate, with the additional of a Latin horse unit. Our erstwhile tribune is still away on detached duty, apparently. The legion has picked up four additional units, a hastati, Italian swordsmen, a velites, and an Italian skirmisher. (I often use this as my non-consular army, as it gives me more "umph" and allows me to deploy my units in a better checkerboard formation)
Section 2: The Early Consular Army (Lead by a consul-general)
Standard Consular Army, lead by a consul-general.
IPB Image
This is your typical consular army when playing by Quintus' Guide. We have two classic Roman legions and two allied Latin legions. The consul has included an additional Gallic horse contingent, too.
Standard Consular Army, lead by a consul-general, accompanied by a military tribune.
IPB Image
This time our consul has in tow a military tribune, learning the arts of war for the day he becomes praetor. This would be what your average consular army would look like. (This is my typical consular army)
Standard Consular Army, lead by a consul-general, with tribune and an artillery contingent.
IPB Image
Our champion of Roman virtue consul now has added a unit of artillery to his army. (I don't use artillery very often, it slows me down. But, when I do, I often send my consul ahead with the legion, and have my tribune and the Latin cavalry bring up the artillery)
Outsized Consular Army, lead by a consul-general, with the happy-go-lucky tribune in tow.
IPB Image
Occasionally a larger army is necessary, and, in this case, the standard army has added a few additional units.
Outsized Consular Army, lead by a consul-general.
IPB Image
This is the same setup as above, just this time we have replaced the tribune with a Latin cavalry unit.
Outsized Consular Army, lead by a consul-general.
IPB Image
This is the same setup as above, just this time we have replaced the extra horse unit with an artillery contingent.
Section 3: The Mid-Republican Praetorian and Consular Armies.
Standard legion lead by a praetor-ranked general or legate.
IPB Image
This is a Middle Republican Polybian manipular legion lead by a praetor-general or legate accompanied by a military tribune. You'll notice that Italian manipular legionnaries, copied from their Roman counterparts, have replaced the earlier Italian native conscripts.
Standard Consular Army lead by a consul-general.
IPB Image
This is a Middle Republican Polybian consular army lead by a consul-general, accompanied by a military tribune. You'll notice that Italian manipular legionnaries, copied from their Roman counterparts, have replaced the earlier Italian native conscripts.
Section 4: The Late-Republican Praetorian and Consular Armies.
Standard Post-Marius Roman legion lead by a consul, praetor-ranked general, or legate.
IPB Image
This is a Late Republican legion, consisting of ten cohorts of legionnaries recuited from all across the Roman World. By the time of Gaius Marius, the Polybian manipular legion had disappeared. A standing professional army with standardized state-provid equpment was employed in place of the bring-your-own-gear-levies that the Republic had used for centuries. This legion has an attached unit of mounted scouts and is lead by a legate.
Summary: Of course, you may play the game in any fashion you please. But, it is also enjoyable to play historically. Using Quintus' Guide to playing as a true Roman, in conjunction with Marcus Camillus' Roman Leadership Mod, you'll find yourself having a fun time roleplaying, in additional to just conquering. This adds an additional challenge to the game and a very rewarding experience. Positive comments are welcome. smile.gif
Xin lỗi các bác vì em chưa có quyền gửi file đính kèm nên ko thể up mấy cái ảnh minh họa lên được nhưng các bác có thể vào link này mà xem.
http://forums.totalrealism.net/index.php?showtopic=20440&st=0
http://forums.totalrealism.net/index.php?showtopic=20440&st=0
Xin lỗi các bác vì em chưa có quyền gửi file đính kèm nên ko thể up mấy cái ảnh minh họa lên được nhưng các bác có thể vào link này mà xem.
http://forums.totalrealism.net/index.php?showtopic=20440&st=0
http://forums.totalrealism.net/index.php?showtopic=20440&st=0
[Rest In Peace] Panzerklein
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Lần sau muốn trích đoạn từ nởi khác thì quote (để đoạn đó giữa đoạn code
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mịe. Nhét tòan E vào đây, thà đồng chí để cái directlink cho tiện. KO phải vì ae ko đọc đc, mà vì động tác đấy .. vô nghĩa -.-
gvn ko còn MP mod, nên ko cần cho vào quote, rất khó đọc. NHưng yêu cầu mọi người ĐẶT SOURCE TRÍCH DẪN VÀO NGAY ĐẦU BÀI VIẾT (xem lại bài đầu topic) . Nói thế đủ rồi nhé, giờ ai quote lung tung, post tiếng Anh lung tung thì xác định vươn cổ ra cho tớ gặt
gvn ko còn MP mod, nên ko cần cho vào quote, rất khó đọc. NHưng yêu cầu mọi người ĐẶT SOURCE TRÍCH DẪN VÀO NGAY ĐẦU BÀI VIẾT (xem lại bài đầu topic) . Nói thế đủ rồi nhé, giờ ai quote lung tung, post tiếng Anh lung tung thì xác định vươn cổ ra cho tớ gặt
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dzị mới uyên bác chứ .....................
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thoai bi giờ bàn qua các phim có dính tới Rome mà có đánh trận hay đi
Tui mở àmn = Attila the Hun, với Spartacus
Tui mở àmn = Attila the Hun, với Spartacus
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Chưa coi Attila The Hun, sao tui bàn được. Bác bán cho tui đi
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thông tin rất hay và bổ ích.Em xin phục bác thật đấy.
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Chưa coi Attila The Hun, sao tui bàn được. Bác bán cho tui đi
có 1 cái hà bán ông rồi lấy gì coi chời để mai mốt đánh ra 1 cái khác cho ông hén
kể ông nghe sơ cái Attila là người Huns, lúc nhỏ cả bộ tộc bi giết nên đi wa bộ tộc ông chú ở, lớn lên thì đi đánh nhau với VisaGoth cùng Rome,
Sau đó quay về bộ tộc giết con ông chú giành quyền làm vua rồi đánh người German. Trong trận quyết định với Rome thì hòa phải rút quân về, sau đó bị gái ám sát hết
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bác nào xem nhiều phim về chiến tranh cổ đại, làm hộ em một cái list recommended đc ko? kron ko thạo về món phim ảnh này lắm :(
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phim cổ đại thì thiếu gì nhưng có chiến tranh hay ko thôi. Các phim hay về Rome như
Attila The Hun có chiến tranh
Spartacus có chiến tranh
Gladiator chỉ đấu võ đài là chính
Về Hi Lạp có đánh nhau dữ dội có
Alexander có chiến tranh
Troy có chiến tranh
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