Trao đổi về Rome Total War V.4 [Đọc trang 1 trước!]

[holy_demon]

sao tui dùng general bodyguard giết lạc đà ầm ầm có sao đâu. Tui tưởng scare horse chỉ làm giảm morale của ngựa, đâu đến nỗi khiến nó ko dám lại gần, chẳng lẽ morale của chariot thấp dữ vậy sao ?

 

[Ulf]

Chả biết nữa. Tui cũng ít khi chơi hoặc gặp lạc đà lắm, mới có 1 lần đó là lạc đà vs chariot thôi. Trận đó cũng lâu lắm rồi ko nhớ rõ nữa. Ông thử vào custom test 1 phát là biết ngay mà. 1 lạc đà vs 1 chariot ko + exp giáp gì hết.

 

[grageska55]

lạc đà có cái món đó sao tui ko biết nhỉ
nó là abillity hay là cứ dí lạc đà lại gần là chúng nó chuồn ???

 

[vietanh797]

Phalanx AC chắc xài toàn gỗ mục làm giáo . Cùi bắp nhất game. Skin cũng xấu như quỷ. Túm lại tui thấy ko có skin quân nào của AC đẹp hết. Đó là lý do tui ko thích chơi fac này

nhầm to tui đang chơi EG chứ có phải vanilla đâu
quân AC trong mod này cũng bom đạn lắm chứ yếu đã tốt

 

[Ulf]

lạc đà có cái món đó sao tui ko biết nhỉ
nó là abillity hay là cứ dí lạc đà lại gần là chúng nó chuồn ???

Nó là đặc điểm của quân giống như giáo có bonus fighting carvary hay voi có frighten nearby enemy vậy. Nhưng cũng ko chắc là nó chuồn do sợ. Khi đó tui bận điều khiển những unit khác, chỉ click cho nó tấn công bọn lạc đà đó, cũng ko nhớ chariot đó có cung hay ko. Cũng có thể nó chạy tới gần rồi dừng lại bắn chứ ko áp sát, hoặc là bị lạc đà phản công nên nó skirmish. Lâu quá rồi, mà gặp có 1 trận.

 

[holy_demon]

Nó là đặc điểm của quân giống như giáo có bonus fighting carvary hay voi có frighten nearby enemy vậy. Nhưng cũng ko chắc là nó chuồn do sợ. Khi đó tui bận điều khiển những unit khác, chỉ click cho nó tấn công bọn lạc đà đó, cũng ko nhớ chariot đó có cung hay ko. Cũng có thể nó chạy tới gần rồi dừng lại bắn chứ ko áp sát, hoặc là bị lạc đà phản công nên nó skirmish. Lâu quá rồi, mà gặp có 1 trận.

Trời ạ, bọn chariot nổi tiếng là nhát gan, nó mất khoảng 1-2 quân, thấy lính đông đông là running amok chạy đè lên cả lính mình liền. Chưa chắc nó đã chạy vì sợ lạc đà mà còn vì lính địch đông quá nó sợ
Nhân chuyện chariot, đố các bạn voi chọi chariot ai thắng ?

Chả biết nữa. Tui cũng ít khi chơi hoặc gặp lạc đà lắm, mới có 1 lần đó là lạc đà vs chariot thôi. Trận đó cũng lâu lắm rồi ko nhớ rõ nữa. Ông thử vào custom test 1 phát là biết ngay mà. 1 lạc đà vs 1 chariot ko + exp giáp gì hết.

xóa RTW 2 tháng nay rồi, chẳng lẽ lên tor down lại chỉ để test custom game :(

 

[Ulf]

Voi chọi chariot đã test custom very hard, map đồng cỏ. Voi của Carthage đấu với chariot cung đời cuối của AC, cả 2 đều là lính trơn ko nâng gì hết. 24 con voi đấu với 36 cái xe lăn.\:d/

- Voi con vs chariot: voi con ko có cung nên dí theo chariot 1 hồi kiệt sức, nổi điênX(. Chariot cũng mệt đứ đừ, có cung nhưng vừa chạy vừa bắn ko trúng phát nào, ko giết nổi 1 con voi. Cuổi cùng do voi mệt quá phát điên nên chariot close victory:whew:.
- Voi chiến vs chariot: voi chiến có cung, chariot cũng có cung, 2 bên ko giáp lá cà mà đứng so xì-kiu hét-sọt:skull:. Chariot chắc toàn tuyển mắt lé loạn thị nên đứng yên bắn con voi bự vậy mà cũng chả trúng con nào, cuối cùng bị voi nó bắn chết hết.
- Voi bọc giáp vs chariot: đánh với voi chiến còn chưa xong, chariot ko có cửa với voi giáp[-x. Diễn biến trận đấu như trên.

 

[Ulf]

PS: cũng đã test vụ lạc đà scare horses. Bọn ngựa ko sợ lạc đà thật. Tại lúc trước bật skirmish nên nó ko chịu để bị áp sát thôi. Tắt skirmish đi thì vẫn hùng hục lao vào chém gãy chân lạc đà như thường.

 

[unbelievable]

Chariot em toàn cho ngựa nặng húc ngang hông.
AC có một ưu điểm nhãn tiền là rất giàu.

 

[vietanh797]

chơi scythe chảiot coi voi chạy nổi không
tui thấy bọn scythe vô đối lắm

 

[unbelievable]

Tất cả các fact ở phía bắc hoặc đông bắc thì đều có một điểm yếu cố hữu là kinh tế rất kém.

 

[Chamoisking]

@vietanh : Tui chơi RTW rồi lập topic viết lại AAR trong box này được không ?

 

[vietanh797]

AAR là cái gì nói rõ ra coi =.="
ông viết tắt thế tui sao hỉu đc

 

[unbelievable]

Là After Action Report.Cái bản báo cáo giao tranh trong thời chiến ấy.

 

[vietanh797]

cho nhìn qua xem nó ntn
nếu hợp lý thì đưa lên
không thì cậu làm rùi tự ngắm ỏ nhà vậy

 

[Chamoisking]

Có khoảng hơn 1000 AAR được các fan RTW và Med2 viết trên forum twcenter. Để tui đưa lên 1 cái AAR tương đối tốt.

Nguồn : http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=169446
Có thể xem thêm tại đây :
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=834 (RTW)
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=832 (Med2)

[RTW AAR] The Selucide Empire, rebuilding Alexander the Great and more

Prelude
Take heart my child, for the tale that is about to unfold is a great one. One that I myself have experienced, one that you shall see, one that shall live on forever.

Part I
Chapter 1: Beginnings
The year is 270 BC, Alexander the Great left his empire in the middle east to Antiochus and the Selucid Empire was formed.

Antiochus had ambitions, ambitions for a greater empire, he wanted it all, he wanted to own Ptolemy's egypt and everything else. He wanted to surpass even Alexander! Alas, Antiochus did not have enough men, so he first had to muster an army, the greatest army the world has ever seen!

Pretty soon contact was established with the nations of Pontus, Parthia, and Armenia. Antiochus, being as smart as he is, knew one probably all of them were going to betray his fledgling kingdom. Antiochus's supsicions were confirmed. Armenia, that dirty rat of a nation, betrayed him and laid siege to Hatra

Chapter 2: Dawn of battle
Antiochus began to plan on taking Egypt, he planned with a son-in-law, Choerilos of Ace. Antiochus ordered him to take a entourage of 2 regiments of raw recruited Levy Pikes, a band of Skirmishers, and one contingent of militia cavalry south to begin his attack on Egypt.

the Egyptian Pharoh soon responded, he sent a general by the name of Kiya to do battle with him. Stupid Pharoh.

Knowing the boundaries of the battlefield, Choerilos deployed his troops in a corner thinking Kiya would rush stupidly into his phalanxes. however that was not the case. Kiya stayed back like a coward and fired arrows. pretty soon the Nubian Phalanxes were ready to engage.

The skirmishers began to unload on the Nubians, felling a small portion of them. Then the Nubians engaged the levies.

already weakened by the exchange of arrows, the levy pikes were losing heart. Choerilos decided to move the militia hoplites to engage the Nubian's flank

the Nubians broke soon after, then upon seeing his Levy pikemen being further destroyed by the arrows, Choerilos charged straight into the egyptian bowmen

Kiya soon charged in his chariot, and Choerilos withdrew knowing if he died his men would just run. and left the chariots to charge into the militia hoplites.

they lost a couple chariots, and withdrew. Kiya, the coward he was, ran from battle.

it was all over. the damage was done, one regiment of levy pikemen was completely devastated.
but the battle was won

Chapter 3: Traitors from the north
The traitorous Armenians finally launched their siege at Hatra

the leader of the garrison was Captain Autesion. Physically, he was tall and broad, well built by years of training. He was a hero of the town. Day to day he would help out with every chore or physical labor. People could count on him to get things done. However, upon hearing of the impending Armenian threat he enlisted. Instantly he was elevated to a captain out of respect.

The siege started out with a skirmisher shower of spears upon the peasants. a good deal of peasants died

However after this shower of spears, the ram never budged. Was it because of their fear for the heirs of alexander?

during this standstill Captain Autesion decided the peasants needed some exercise and training. He made them run around the city once.

panting out of breath, the peasants ran back.
"whew, that was hard," said one peasant wiping the sweat from his brow
however, one peasant had unknowingly slipped open the gate and let the Armenians charge in. It was over in an instant.

Then the gate closed behind the Armenians. closing out the horse archers from getting in, Autesion had won a battle!

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Chapter 4: Ambitions of an Angel

"Choerilos!" A call came.
"I told you to adress me as-"
"Antiochus!!!...Antiochus..." panted the messenger.
"Slow down soldier," said Choerilos
"Antiochus is dead"
"Father is dead? Impossible"
"The lady sent me to bring you the news"
"Then I shall carry on with Father's ambitions, even though he didn't deem me his heir, I will carry out his ambitions as is my rightful duty. Prepare to attack!"
with that Choerilos ordered the attack on the egyptian city he was besieging.

The battle unfolds: After a rousing speech by Choerilos the eastern mercenaries batter down the gate. soon after the newest regiment of Levy Pikemen lead the first charge through the gate.

eventually the cowardly Nubian's retreat out of fear.
then they counter attack after the pikes have moved through the gate.

after they ward off the counter attack they bring the rest of the army into the city. the second division of pikes is bought around to the other side where the pharoh is slaughtered trying to charge through.

they get to the center plaza and corner the last phalanx of nubians. they use the hammer and anvil tactic and finish them off.

young Choerilos has taken the first step toward fulfilling his Father-in-law's ambitions!

Chapter 5: Seeds to be planted

It was a proud day for the Selucid nation, as well as a proud day for Helike. She was to be married to Ioalas a man of great stature. He was 32 at the time. He was a great garrison commander, someone who trained the soldiers well and knew what he was doing. It was a fine marriage.

Bad news soon arrived, the armenian imbeciles besieged Hatra again. The terrified peoples once again looked to Autesion to defend them yet again in this moment.

As if that was not enough, the Egyptians attacked Sidon. It was time for Choerilos to prove his worth again. Choerilos was outnumbered 2-1, he had to tread carefully on the sword edge.

The front gate was already busted open as the selucid engineers failed to repair the gate. As a result the Egyptians dropped 2 of their rams and had an all out rush to the gate. Leading this charge were many lightly armed skirmishers and archers.

It was an intense fight, with the pikemen able to eliminate a good deal of them by skewering them upon their pikes, but eventually the mass of numbers condensing through the gate was too much and some of the pikemen had to draw swords. The battle turned very bloody very fast.

Meanwhile, the rams that the Egyptians hadn't dropped broke through the walls where the militia hoplites and eastern mercs were stationed.

The Egyptian charge was held back temporarily, but even those with hearts of hercules will begin to lose heart after awhile.

As the militia hoplites fled Choerilos ordered all men back to the central plaza. This was to be their last avenue of defense, but instead of ordering his men to take a defensive stance, rather he ordered his cavalry units into offensive positions throughout the streets. Soon enough the overconfident Nubians came marching to the center square. They aimed at the small unit of Militia hoplites who looked weak and tired from the fighting. Out of nowhere Choerilos plunged straight into the rear of the Nubian phalanx.

The Nubians, tired from fighting fled almost instantaneously. A second Nubian phalanx made the same mistake.

It was over in an instant.

The siege was won. Choerilos had proved he was capable of command, he was a man marked by the gods, one who was favored by those sitting on the throne of heaven.

In Antioch, the newly built barracks yielded the new phalanx pikemen. People lined the streets to see the first ranks file out of the barracks and parade around the city. Sporting polished new shields, one could look in and see their own face with a brownish sheen to it. The Sarissa's formed a forest of brown. One could only wait for what would become of the new backbone of the Selucid army

Chapter 6 Falling Rain

The news spread like a tidal wave throughout the whole city. It was carried on by the townspeople as wood feeds the fire. Someone had died. Not just anyone, but the lady herself! The lady who formed one of the greatest pillars of Antiochus's ambitions. All across the Selucid empire there was grieving. The lady was known for her stalwart attitude, governing only herself, but still supporting her husband. The funeral procession was long. For not only did the procession contain the lady, but Antiochus with it. It was his wish for them to be buried at the same time. The Gods themselves watched over the funeral procession. As the funeral procession started, a drop of rain hit the coffin. All around drops of rain fell not only from the sky, but from the faces of people, hitting the cobblestone street and shattering like glass. If one was able to see from the heavens themselves, they could see as the whole empire turned black, all across the empire people donned black rather than their tunics. Long term veterans who knew Antiochus donned their old armor, a relic of the feats of Alexander, as well as a reminder of service in the Companions, and rode alongside the coffins. As the catacomb was opened, people cryed out "Antiochus!!! Antiochus!!! Antiochus the Mighty!!!" As a pair, the lovers accompanied each other in death, as they did in life, never leaving the other, promising to stay with each other until their lives faded.

Though Antiochus and his wife died, their ambitions thrived. Carried on by a zeal so great, the people of Selucid sought out to make their beloved leader's dreams come true.


Chapter 7 Lion of the East

The yea was now 264 BC. Ioalas, husband of Halike, now 32, launched the campaign against Egypt. He headed south and besieged Jerusalem.

----The command tent----
Sir, our scouts have reported multiple Egyptian regiments moving into position to launch an attack. -Selucid Captain
Interesting.... Egyptian dogs. They shall taste the selucid pikes. We will skewer them like a boy skewers bugs with sticks. We will wait for them to show their damned faces on the battlefield-Iolas
With that, Ioalas walked out of the tent, and called for a meeting amongst his troops.
My men! Tommorrow the damned egyptians will attack us! Tough you've never fought with me, I feel like tommorrow will be a victory for us! I feel sorry for the Egyptian mother-lovers! For they have to fight against the brave men of Selucid! It wont be fair, especially when their own mothers see them and have to clean their own damn wounds! Now join me! Grab that jug of wine! Drink a few tonight! Then let us send the Egyptian asses back to their mothers!!! -Ioalas
-The next morning

After a rousing speech, Ioalas deployed his troops. Scouts had reported that the Egyptians were still far off, so Ioalas ordered water to be handed out and that the men could put down their sarissas for awhile. After half an hour, the Egyptians could be seen on the horizon.
"finally," said a Selucid Phalanx captain.
The men began to grip their Sarissa's then picked up their small shields. It was a brilliant day, the sun shone brightly, the skys were clear. To accompany such a clear day their was a wind. The wind whistled through the dense forest of Sarissas, a low whisper noise could be heard. Ioalas thought he heard the wind call out his name. He shook his head to clear it out of his mind.
The chariots of the Egyptian chariot started firing arrows, not far behind them was the main army. The arrows felled some of the men, but the men of selucid didnt let such a trivial thing dampen their mood! Soon enough the Nubian phalanxes began to close in on the Selucids. Right behind them was the Egyptian desert cavalry.

The sarrisa's, longer than the nubian pike, was able to stab most of the nubians before they even got close enough to touch a pikeman. The horsemen who charged quite stupidly died in the masses.

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It was over pretty fast, the nubians broke, and the peasants in reserve didnt feel like fighting after Ioalas crushed a few skulls.

 

[holy_demon]

@Chamois: thì bác thấy Machiavelli viết rồi đó, cứ thế mà làm thui. Mà bác viết theo style j` ? Truyên cười giải trí hay thiên sử thi ?

Voi chiến vs chariot: voi chiến có cung, chariot cũng có cung, 2 bên ko giáp lá cà mà đứng so xì-kiu hét-sọt. Chariot chắc toàn tuyển mắt lé loạn thị nên đứng yên bắn con voi bự vậy mà cũng chả trúng con nào, cuối cùng bị voi nó bắn chết hết.

Bác này nói j` kì thế, bọn nó mà càn nhau thì chết nhiều lắm. Mà bác có biết cách full charge ko đấy?
Theo kinh nghiệm của tui thì voi giáp chariot đánh ko lại rùi, nhưng voi chiến thì ko chắc lắm, tui cầm voi thì voi thắng, tui cầm chariot thì chariot thắng, nhưng tổn thất chắc chắn rất lớn. 1 cú full charge của bon này có thể giêt từ 1/3 đến 1/2 quân của nhau.
Thêm câu nữa, kataphract vs companion ai thắng ?
Ps: có ai biết cách dùng unit nào giết dc chariot mà ko để mất quá 3 lính ko ? Xin hậu tạ.

 

[Chamoisking]

Machiavelli là viết truyện tự sáng tác. Còn tui viết theo game chơi. Có nhiều lúc đánh 1 trận cực hay mà không biết chia sẻ với ai. Chủ yếu viết về sự phát triển của faction mình đang chơi và mô tả lại các trận đánh hay nhất, kèm theo nhiều hình ảnh.

 

[Ulf]

2 bên charge vào nhau thì còn khổ nữa. Chariot charge làm sao lại voi. Vid kèm theo. Trong trận đó cả chariot và Elephant đều đã chuyển sang charging rồi mới lao vào nhau (pause lại để chuột vào 2 thằng để kiếm tra). Vừa tông vào phát chariot gãy càng chỏng gọng hết, voi chả chết con nào.

Tui nghĩ cataphract thắng. (2 thằng charge trực tiếp xong melee)

Tui chơi chó cạp chariot ko tốn thằng lính nào luôn, nhưng đó là do lỗi AI. Chariot là 1 unit khá khó chịu, nhưng lại khó điều khiển.

@Chamoi: có lần tui cũng định lập 1 topic chuyên để anh em kể về những trận đánh mình tâm đắc (còn chuyện kể lể dài dòng quá trình phát triển đất nước thì mệt lắm, tui nói thật ko có hứng đọc đâu), nhưng do bây giờ rất nhiều người ko còn chơi tw nữa, đã xóa nó khỏi máy rồi, vào đây bàn bạc chỉ nhờ vào kinh nghiệm trước đây thôi, nên lập ra cái topic ấy sợ ế.

 

[hugoking1]

Ps: có ai biết cách dùng unit nào giết dc chariot mà ko để mất quá 3 lính ko ? Xin hậu tạ.

~50 heavy calvary kiếm bạc khiên đồng 3 vạch bạc trở lên chắc đc
light calvary thì ko thể , bộ binh thì càng ko :'>