Room Chiến thuật - Bàn luận về cách Build Team mọi thứ liên quan chiên thuật PK.

bj_ko0l · 30/4/11

@zeed: spout tính dam theo HP còn lại mà :))

@cry:

Overall, your team should consist of five Baton Passers and one receiver (which will be explained in more detail later on) to finish off the opponent. A good Baton Pass team should be able to beat common phazers, such as Swampert and Skarmory, and deal with Haze, Taunt, Encore, sleep-inducing moves, Perish Song, and even Trick Room. Below will explain what your lead, chain, and receiver should look like.

theo smogon... và nếu theo như thế ,team cậu hoàn toàn không ổn 1 chút nào :-??

và cái này là về receiver

One Pokemon on your team should be your receiver, the Pokemon who is passed the boosts your Baton Pass chain has gathered. When this Pokemon gets +6 in the attack stat chosen to use (or some mixed sweeper equivalent), it should be able to OHKO every single Pokemon on the opponent's team with 100% accurate moves, since one miss can mean big trouble. Your receiver should also not be 4x weak to any priority move, and it might be helpful for your receiver to also have Baton Pass, but fitting it onto your receiver's moveset can be difficult while simultaneously trying to OHKO every single Pokemon on your opponent's team. Immunity to Toxic Spikes is a great thing to look into, and if your receiver needs to use a Life Orb to get certain KOs, it should be immune to sandstorm as well due to how common it is in OU, or else it can be stalled by good prediction on your opponent's side.

cậu tự sửa nhé :))

dark_dragons · 30/4/11

Bạn trẻ nào mới bảo Porygon-Z yếu thế? 8-}

Ăn Tri Attack của nó hơi bị phê đấy!

Không cần x2 vẫn ngon như thường

cuonglang230 · 30/4/11

Porygon-Z mềnh cứ thấy nó unstable thế nào ấy, lúc mạnh cực điểm lúc frail tận cùng 8->

Life orb Adapability bắn Tri atk vào Keldeo mất 75% HP nó táng lại 1 Secret Sword lăn quay... awesome 8->

lonely_wait_cry · 30/4/11

@Bj : nguyên team baton passer rất mạo hiểm bị dính khắc chế thì chỉ có nước ăn hành
receiver là yannmega speed booster với jirachi flincher thế là khá ổn rồi

@D_D : có ai nói porygonZ yếu đâu ngược lại còn mạnh khủng khiếp nếu xét về sweeper nhưng xét về receiver special như trên thì ko thể = đc yann và kiểu boost nasty/SB sẽ đỡ tốn thời gian hơn bất kỳ kiểu boost nào khác (trước kia đã từng thử espeon calminder baton passer cho porygon Z nhưng fail hoàn toàn) nên tạm thời chưa tìm đc con baton passer special nào tốt hơn togekiss cả

cuonglang230 · 30/4/11

sao lại ra double post thế này X_X

NP + BP thì chỉ có 3 lựa chọn thôi : Togekiss, Celebi, Mr.Mime... uhm, đúng là thấy Kiss được nhất :-s

dark_dragons · 30/4/11

Sao không Ban bà nó con Ditto đi nhỉ? =))

Mã:

Battle between MisterMilk and [GVN]Hayama started!

Tier: Gen5 OverUsed
Rule: Unrated
Rule: Sleep Clause
Rule: Freeze Clause
Rule: Species Clause
Rule: Self-KO Clause

[GVN]Hayama sent out Ninetales!
MisterMilk sent out Aerodactyl!
Ninetales's Drought intensified the sun's rays!

Start of turn 1
The foe's Aerodactyl used Earthquake!
It's super effective!
Ninetales lost 194 HP! (67% of its health)

Ninetales used Hypnosis!
The attack of Ninetales missed!

The sunlight is strong!

Start of turn 2
[GVN]Hayama called Ninetales back!
[GVN]Hayama sent out Ditto!

Ditto transformed into Aerodactyl!
The foe's Aerodactyl used Earthquake!
It had no effect!

The sunlight is strong!

Start of turn 3
MisterMilk called Aerodactyl back!
MisterMilk sent out Gyarados!

The foe's Gyarados intimidates Ditto!
Ditto's Attack fell!
Ditto used Stealth Rock!
Pointed stones float in the air around MisterMilk's team!

The sunlight is strong!

Start of turn 4
Ditto used Stone Edge!
The attack of Ditto missed!

The foe's Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
The foe's Gyarados's Attack rose!
The foe's Gyarados's Speed rose!

The sunlight is strong!

Start of turn 5
[GVN]Hayama called Ditto back!
[GVN]Hayama sent out Whimsicott!

The foe's Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
The foe's Gyarados's Attack rose!
The foe's Gyarados's Speed rose!

The sunlight is strong!

Start of turn 6
Whimsicott used Encore!
The foe's Gyarados received an encore!

The foe's Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
The foe's Gyarados's Attack rose!
The foe's Gyarados's Speed rose!

The sunlight is strong!

Start of turn 7
Whimsicott used Stun Spore!
The attack of Whimsicott missed!

The foe's Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
The foe's Gyarados's Attack rose!
The foe's Gyarados's Speed rose!

The sunlight is strong!

Start of turn 8
Whimsicott used Stun Spore!
The foe's Gyarados is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!

The foe's Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
The foe's Gyarados's Attack rose!
The foe's Gyarados's Speed rose!

The sunlight is strong!
The foe's Gyarados's Encore ended!

Start of turn 9
Whimsicott used Encore!
The foe's Gyarados received an encore!

The foe's Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
The foe's Gyarados's Attack rose!
The foe's Gyarados's Speed rose!

The sunlight is strong!

Start of turn 10
[GVN]Hayama called Whimsicott back!
[GVN]Hayama sent out Ditto!

Ditto transformed into Gyarados!
Ditto intimidates the foe's Gyarados!
The foe's Gyarados's Attack fell!
The foe's Gyarados is paralyzed! It can't move!

The sunlight is strong!
[GVN]Hayama: thanks

MisterMilk forfeited the game!

Sướng!

bj_ko0l · 30/4/11

@cry: vậy cậu tự build đi, tớ góp ý cậu toàn gạt đi

tốt nhất nếu muốn build, vào đây mà đọc: http://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/baton_pass_chains
special atk, spdef passer tốt nhất là mr.mime, vì nó có soundproof chặn roar....
porygon-z là pkm duy nhất +2 spatk mà OHKO đc bliss (không tính sacred sword, psyshock) :))

dark_dragons · 30/4/11

Giờ mà bàn về Bliss àh? =((

Eviolite Chansey giờ phổ thông hơn Blissey nhiều :-j

zeed · 30/4/11

Cho em hỏi
1. Sao em thấy nhiều người dùng Chan hơn dùng Bliss?
2. Ditto Ability copy lun cái tăng Stat à?????

dark_dragons · 30/4/11

1. Vì Chansey hold Eviolite sẽ trâu hơn Blissey, nghe đồn là thế 8-}

Vả lại, có gặp Ditto thì độ trâu của 2 con sẽ chênh lệch xa hơn =))

2. Đúng $\m/$ Copy tuốt! Trừ HP và held Item, còn Stat, EV, Ability gì gì đấy thì chơi hết!

bj_ko0l · 30/4/11

xl vì tớ ném đá hội nghị, nhưng mà theo rank stat của PO thì:
#32 - Blissey (5.65 %)
#60 - Chansey (3.27 %)
chính vì thế mà bliss vẫn là OU, còn chan thì mới chỉ là suspect để chuẩn bị ban UU thôi nhé :-j

@dark: trâu hơn, nhưng không có khả năng tấn công = bliss, không có left nữa :))

zeed · 30/4/11

Em vẫn chưa hiểu cách tính dam của Water Spout làm sao anh bj có thể nói lại cho em dc ko????

darkpro_?? · 30/4/11

Damage của Water Spout thì không nhớ rõ lắm nhưng bạn cứ nhớ là damagecsex giảm khi hp của user pokmon giảm :">

dark_dragons · 30/4/11

Tại người ta chỉ mới nhận ra tiềm năng của Chansey khi gặp Eviolite ở Gen V thôi, nên thương hiệu vẫn chưa được khẳng định :-j

Vả lại, Blissey với Chansey thì con nào Stall mà chả đánh nhau bằng SToss?

Anyway, đề nghị ban con Ditto với Whimsicott X_X

Mã:

Battle between [GVN]Hayama and -Roxas started!

Tier: Gen5 OverUsed
Rule: Unrated
Rule: Sleep Clause
Rule: Species Clause

-Roxas sent out Mienshao!
[GVN]Hayama sent out Ninetales!
Ninetales's Drought intensified the sun's rays!

Start of turn 1
[GVN]Hayama called Ninetales back!
[GVN]Hayama sent out Whimsicott!

The foe's Mienshao used Fake Out!
Whimsicott lost 45 HP! (13% of its health)
The foe's Mienshao is hurt by its Life Orb!

The sunlight is strong!
Whimsicott restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 2
Whimsicott used Encore!
The foe's Mienshao received an encore!

The foe's Mienshao used Fake Out!
But it failed!

The sunlight is strong!
Whimsicott restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
[GVN]Hayama: LoL

Start of turn 3
-Roxas called Mienshao back!
-Roxas sent out Heatran!

Whimsicott used Substitute!
Whimsicott made a substitute!

The sunlight is strong!
Whimsicott restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 4
Whimsicott used Stun Spore!
The foe's Heatran is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!

The foe's Heatran used Fire Blast!
It's super effective!
A critical hit!
Whimsicott's substitute faded!

The sunlight is strong!
Whimsicott restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 5
Whimsicott used Substitute!
Whimsicott made a substitute!

The foe's Heatran is paralyzed! It can't move!

The sunlight is strong!
Whimsicott restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 6
Whimsicott used Leech Seed!
The foe's Heatran was seeded!

The foe's Heatran used Fire Blast!
The attack of the foe's Heatran missed!

The sunlight is strong!
Whimsicott restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Heatran's health is sapped by leech seed.

Start of turn 7
Whimsicott used Stun Spore!
The foe's Heatran is already paralyzed.

The foe's Heatran is paralyzed! It can't move!

The sunlight is strong!
Whimsicott restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Heatran's health is sapped by leech seed.

Start of turn 8
Whimsicott used Stun Spore!
The foe's Heatran is already paralyzed.

The foe's Heatran used Fire Blast!
The attack of the foe's Heatran missed!

The sunlight is strong!
The foe's Heatran's health is sapped by leech seed.

Start of turn 9
Whimsicott used Stun Spore!
The foe's Heatran is already paralyzed.

The foe's Heatran used Fire Blast!
It's super effective!
Whimsicott's substitute faded!

The sunlight is strong!
The foe's Heatran's health is sapped by leech seed.

Start of turn 10
Whimsicott used Substitute!
Whimsicott made a substitute!

The foe's Heatran used Fire Blast!
It's super effective!
Whimsicott's substitute faded!

The sunlight is strong!
Whimsicott restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Heatran's health is sapped by leech seed.

Start of turn 11
Whimsicott used Substitute!
Whimsicott made a substitute!

The foe's Heatran is paralyzed! It can't move!

The sunlight is strong!
Whimsicott restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Heatran's health is sapped by leech seed.

Start of turn 12
Whimsicott used Stun Spore!
The foe's Heatran is already paralyzed.

The foe's Heatran used Fire Blast!
It's super effective!
Whimsicott's substitute faded!

The sunlight is strong!
Whimsicott restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Heatran's health is sapped by leech seed.

Start of turn 13
Whimsicott used Substitute!
Whimsicott made a substitute!

The foe's Heatran used Fire Blast!
It's super effective!
Whimsicott's substitute faded!

The sunlight is strong!
Whimsicott restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Heatran's health is sapped by leech seed.

Start of turn 14
Whimsicott used Substitute!
Whimsicott made a substitute!

The foe's Heatran is paralyzed! It can't move!

The sunlight is strong!
Whimsicott restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Heatran's health is sapped by leech seed.
The foe's Heatran fainted!
-Roxas sent out Scrafty!

[GVN]Hayama: isn't it good?

Start of turn 15
Whimsicott used Stun Spore!
The foe's Scrafty is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!

The foe's Scrafty is paralyzed! It can't move!

The sunlight is strong!
Whimsicott restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Scrafty's Shed Skin heals its status!

Start of turn 16
Whimsicott used Leech Seed!
The foe's Scrafty was seeded!

The foe's Scrafty used Drain Punch!
Whimsicott's substitute took the damage!
Whimsicott had its energy drained!

The sunlight is strong!
Whimsicott restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Scrafty's health is sapped by leech seed.

Start of turn 17
Whimsicott used Encore!
The foe's Scrafty received an encore!

The foe's Scrafty used Drain Punch!
Whimsicott's substitute faded!
Whimsicott had its energy drained!

The sunlight is strong!
The foe's Scrafty restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Scrafty's health is sapped by leech seed.

Start of turn 18
Whimsicott used Substitute!
Whimsicott made a substitute!

The foe's Scrafty used Drain Punch!
Whimsicott's substitute took the damage!
Whimsicott had its energy drained!

The sunlight is strong!
Whimsicott restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Scrafty restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Scrafty's health is sapped by leech seed.

Start of turn 19
Whimsicott used Stun Spore!
The foe's Scrafty is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!

The foe's Scrafty is paralyzed! It can't move!

The sunlight is strong!
Whimsicott restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Scrafty's Shed Skin heals its status!
The foe's Scrafty restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Scrafty's health is sapped by leech seed.
The foe's Scrafty's Encore ended!

Start of turn 20
Whimsicott used Stun Spore!
The foe's Scrafty is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!

The foe's Scrafty used Drain Punch!
Whimsicott's substitute faded!
Whimsicott had its energy drained!

The sunlight is strong!
The foe's Scrafty restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Scrafty's health is sapped by leech seed.

Start of turn 21
Whimsicott used Substitute!
Whimsicott made a substitute!

The foe's Scrafty is paralyzed! It can't move!

The sunlight is strong!
Whimsicott restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Scrafty restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Scrafty's health is sapped by leech seed.

Start of turn 22
Whimsicott used Stun Spore!
The foe's Scrafty is already paralyzed.

The foe's Scrafty used Bulk Up!
The foe's Scrafty's Attack rose!
The foe's Scrafty's Defense rose!

The sunlight is strong!
Whimsicott restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Scrafty restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Scrafty's health is sapped by leech seed.

Start of turn 23
Whimsicott used Encore!
The foe's Scrafty received an encore!

The foe's Scrafty is paralyzed! It can't move!

The sunlight is strong!
The foe's Scrafty's Shed Skin heals its status!
The foe's Scrafty restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Scrafty's health is sapped by leech seed.

Start of turn 24
Whimsicott used Stun Spore!
The attack of Whimsicott missed!

The foe's Scrafty used Bulk Up!
The foe's Scrafty's Attack rose!
The foe's Scrafty's Defense rose!

The sunlight is strong!
The foe's Scrafty restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Scrafty's health is sapped by leech seed.

Start of turn 25
Whimsicott used Stun Spore!
The foe's Scrafty is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!

The foe's Scrafty used Bulk Up!
The foe's Scrafty's Attack rose!
The foe's Scrafty's Defense rose!

The sunlight is strong!
The foe's Scrafty's Shed Skin heals its status!
The foe's Scrafty restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Scrafty's health is sapped by leech seed.
The foe's Scrafty's Encore ended!

Start of turn 26
Whimsicott used Encore!
The foe's Scrafty received an encore!

The foe's Scrafty used Bulk Up!
The foe's Scrafty's Attack rose!
The foe's Scrafty's Defense rose!

The sunlight is strong!
The foe's Scrafty restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Scrafty's health is sapped by leech seed.

Start of turn 27
Whimsicott used Stun Spore!
The foe's Scrafty is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!

The foe's Scrafty used Bulk Up!
The foe's Scrafty's Attack rose!
The foe's Scrafty's Defense rose!

The sunlight is strong!
The foe's Scrafty restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Scrafty's health is sapped by leech seed.

Start of turn 28
Whimsicott used Stun Spore!
The foe's Scrafty is already paralyzed.

The foe's Scrafty used Bulk Up!
The foe's Scrafty's Attack rose!
The foe's Scrafty's Defense rose!

The sunlight is strong!
The foe's Scrafty's Shed Skin heals its status!
The foe's Scrafty restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Scrafty's health is sapped by leech seed.
The foe's Scrafty's Encore ended!

Start of turn 29
Whimsicott used Encore!
The foe's Scrafty received an encore!

The foe's Scrafty used Bulk Up!

The sunlight is strong!
The foe's Scrafty restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Scrafty's health is sapped by leech seed.

Start of turn 30
[GVN]Hayama called Whimsicott back!
[GVN]Hayama sent out Ditto!

Ditto transformed into Scrafty!
The foe's Scrafty used Bulk Up!

The sunlight is strong!
The foe's Scrafty restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Scrafty's health is sapped by leech seed.
[GVN]Hayama: thanks

Start of turn 31
The foe's Scrafty used Bulk Up!

Ditto used Drain Punch!
It's super effective!
The foe's Scrafty lost 14% of its health!
The foe's Scrafty fainted!
The foe's Scrafty had its energy drained!

The sunlight is strong!
-Roxas sent out Infernape!

Start of turn 32
The foe's Infernape used Close Combat!
It's super effective!
Ditto lost 96 HP! (32% of its health)
The foe's Infernape's Defense fell!
The foe's Infernape's Sp. Def. fell!
The foe's Infernape is hurt by its Life Orb!

Ditto used Drain Punch!
The foe's Infernape lost 90% of its health!
The foe's Infernape fainted!
The foe's Infernape had its energy drained!

The sunlight is strong!
-Roxas sent out Jellicent!

Start of turn 33
The foe's Jellicent used Toxic!
Ditto was poisoned!

Ditto used Crunch!
It's super effective!
The foe's Jellicent lost 100% of its health!
The foe's Jellicent fainted!

The sunlight is strong!
Ditto is hurt by poison!
-Roxas sent out Mienshao!

Start of turn 34
The foe's Mienshao used Fake Out!
Ditto lost 14 HP! (4% of its health)
The foe's Mienshao is hurt by its Life Orb!

Ditto flinched!

The sunlight is strong!
Ditto restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Ditto is hurt by poison!

Start of turn 35
The foe's Mienshao used Hi Jump Kick!
It's super effective!
Ditto lost 132 HP! (44% of its health)
The foe's Mienshao is hurt by its Life Orb!

Ditto used Drain Punch!
The foe's Mienshao lost 70% of its health!
The foe's Mienshao fainted!
The foe's Mienshao had its energy drained!

The sunlight is strong!
Ditto's Shed Skin heals its status!
Ditto restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

bj_ko0l · 30/4/11

@dark: nono, flamethrower bliss đánh sci(counter số 1 của bliss) đau lắm nha,hoặc ice beam... vì base 75 cơ mà

@zeed:

The formula for the power is 150 * Current HP / Max HP. At 100% health, therefore, the power is 150.

đó đó, eruption tính dam tương tự :))

đít-to vs whim sợ j, sợ ditto thì dùn set up ít thôi, còn whim thì quăng con grass ra là nó nín liền :))

dark_dragons · 30/4/11

Đương nhiên Whimsicott sợ Grass, nhưng hãy nghĩ đến các "công dụng" khác của nó!

Cứ canh nó set up mà mình Encore, trước lúc ném Ditto ra Encore thêm cái nữa, đằng nào Ditto cũng xử đẹp nó được.
Chỉ ngại bọn ngu nó chơi trò Bulk Up 4 lần mà Pokémon chẳng có cái nào gọi là Physical Move mà toàn Flamethrower với HP =((